1. Hey guyz. Welcome to the All New Phlatforum!



    Sign Up and take a look around. There are so many awesome new features.

    The Phlatforum is a place we can all hang out and

    have fun sharing our RC adventures!

  2. Dismiss Notice

Test cut in progress

Discussion in '* Scratch Built Section *' started by Jnida63, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    I am attempting to cut some control horns with .080 plastic sheet.
    Using a 1/32" bit and a pocketed out piece of FFF.
    Will post results when done. :)
     
  2. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Looks like it will work :eek:
    10 cut, 15 to go. I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed. Attached files [​IMG]
     
  3. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Update. I should have run them thru with the plastic underneath the foam.
    The 1/32" bit has a plastic ring around it and foam collected there and eventually melted to the bottom of my cuts, so even though they look good from the top the underside is a flippin mess.
    I will run to the hobby store and grab another sheet or 2 and run the sheets under the bottom side this time (it will let me reuse the carrier)
    If I can get it worked out I will have Control horns 25 for $2 vs. 2 for $3. :D
    Bleh $700 camera won't let me take a good close up. Guess I need to actually read the manual on it. Attached files [​IMG]
     
  4. rjarois

    rjarois Moderator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,263
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    royal oak, michigan
    cool Jeff...i started to cut my own horns from 1/16 ply...i usually have everything but them, and its a pain to run to hobby store just for them, lols. randy.
     
  5. kram242

    kram242 Administrator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,311
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Location:
    NJ
    Nice job Jeff they came out great! The cool things you guys are doing with the Phlatprinter is nothing short of amazing to me. :)
    Mark
     
  6. tvcasualty

    tvcasualty New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    637
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Very nice!
     
  7. 7up

    7up Moderator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,090
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Yea, those look great! How thick is the plastic? Thicker than a credit card?
     
  8. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    It's almost 1/16"
     
  9. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ok, complete failure. The topside of the cut looks fine, the bottom side is a melted mess no matter what I try to do.
    Going to give up and just cut them on 1/16" ply
     
  10. kram242

    kram242 Administrator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,311
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Location:
    NJ
    Jeff is it the shaft of the bit that's causing the melt? I know that if I am cutting and a fraction of the bit touches the material that does not have the cutting flutes it will instantly melt(everytime), but if I lower my bit at the start of the cut so that only the cutting flutes and not the shaft touch it comes out fine.
    Just a thought
    Mark
     
  11. 3DMON

    3DMON Moderator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    2,380
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Sebastian, Florida
    Jeff,
    May I suggest get rid of the foam. Put masking tape along the sides of the plastic. This will give the rollers something to grip to. I'm pretty sure the foam is what is causing your problems with that tiny bit. This is how I cut ply and it works great.
     
  12. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    I tried it with a foam backing and without, I guess with a 1/32" bit it just doesn't have the flute depth to chase the chips away and it gathers on the the bit that doesn't cut.
    Without a backing of the foam the plastic started warping under the heat of cutting it.
    I ran it again with 1/16th light ply and they cut perfectly. (after i peeled melted plastic off the bit)

    So, unless there is a way to really slow down the bit I doubt plastic would be a viable alternative to light ply.
    An overhead gantry machine would prob be the ideal platform to cut them out of plastic.

    Below is a shot of the attempt with the foam backing. Attached files [​IMG]
     
  13. kram242

    kram242 Administrator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,311
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Location:
    NJ
  14. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    I'm going to try and find someplace to buy some pcb board without holes, I think that would be the best. Stay tuned.

    I figured that my Rotozip runs at 15,000 rpm (on slow) with an 1/8" bit, so a 1/32" bit should actually be turning alot slower (at the bit) being a smaller diameter and all. I don't know the math to figure it out. since it is 1/4 the size maybe it turns at a quarter the speed
     
  15. gasmasher

    gasmasher New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    402
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    I use the router control Mark posted and it works fine for a chopper style controller. I have been cutting FFF at about 1/3 power and don't get any of the melting foam vapors and the cuts are clean.

    I am using a 1/8" bit. I haven't tried any other materials yet but have some O flutes on order for cutting plexi. The bits I have now won't chuck in the flex shaft.
     
  16. rjarois

    rjarois Moderator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,263
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    royal oak, michigan
    Jeff, maybe one more test??...pop a couple reference location holes in the carrier for lineup, and try running the cut from the bottom. before you do reprogram the z-depth to just the thickness of the plastic material. maybe with only the cutting edge on it it will cut rather than melt. randy.
     
  17. Flashsolutions

    Flashsolutions Active Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,123
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Leesburg, Florida
    Hi guys... SkyCraft in Orlando has some sheets of phonelic for $4 that works great for making control horns.

    These were cut on JohnB's table top router, but I have cut them on my MKI.

    The phonelic, if you want to get some, is in the first row as you come in the store, all the way to the back on the right side. You can call Skycraft and I am sure they will know what it is. It is about 1/16" thick and makes a very sturdy light weight control horn. Attached files [​IMG]
     
  18. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Yep, that's the stuff i went looking for today. Ran across some Formica chips at lowes and grabbed some.
    They work great except I broke 2 bits making just 3 usable ones. Formica is just too hard, I even tried cutting at 1 ipm on the Formica.

    I tried the multi pass method once, it still melted the plastic so I gave up on them
     
  19. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Update, I ran across some 1/16ths HDPE so I thought I would try this again.
    I had just received my new .030 bits from
    http://www.american-carbide.com/MicroEn ... ecimal.php

    Results with dremel set at lowest speed with speed controller from Harbor Freight and not using mult-pass with feed rates set at 20ipm worked perfectly!!!!!

    The picture is right out of the sheet with NO cleanup at all. Attached files [​IMG]
     
  20. kyyu

    kyyu Active Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,183
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Maryland
    HDPE is pretty slick. I wonder if you will have problems getting glue to stick to it.
     
  21. lovebugjunkie

    lovebugjunkie New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Jeff

    Made sure your plastic is "cast acrylic" and not "extruded". I have cut a lot of cast acrylic with great results, cnc'ing extruded is hit or miss on how it comes out, mostly miss.

    I have never see cast acrylic in places like HD or Lowes, I had to go to a store dealing in acrylic or order it on line.

    george
     
  22. kram242

    kram242 Administrator Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,311
    Trophy Points:
    13
    Location:
    NJ
    Jeff these came out great looking! nice job
    Mark and Trish
     
  23. Jnida63

    Jnida63 Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    749
    Trophy Points:
    18
    As far as glue holding on the HDPE it seems to hold just fine, it may just be the glue filling the holes where it goes into the foam, Hopefully our field will be dried out enough by tomorrow to check how the hold really is.
    I got the plastic for another project that never panned out, I got it from http://www.usplastic.com/
    You will find alot of stuff that you can use on the Phlatformer also there
     

Share This Page