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Whats the distance between the cutting head and rollers

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting and Build Support' started by dhc8guru, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. dhc8guru

    dhc8guru Member

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    Just doing some layouts and wanted to know what the distance is between the cutting head and rollers so I can adjust for the feeder foam that will go uncut. Looks like an extra five inches of spare foam is needed.

    Mark, I am sure you considered having the cutting tool feed in between the two rollers to optimize the material surface. Just wondering if you did, what were the drawbacks?
     
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    I'll have to go back and stare at some pictures but I was under the impression that the Phlatprinter3 did have the cutting bit go between the drive rollers.
     
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    You know, I believe you are right. I found a video online with a close up of the head cutting and it is between rollers :p . The angle of the still photos online, make the head look like it is sitting behind the rollers.
    When I saw the last phlat lab live, it looked like the head was behind the rollers.
    So now it looks like I only need maybe an extra two inches of foam margin that is unusable. With the size of kits I plan on cutting, I need every inch of depron used to avoid waste.
     
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    dhc8guru, you could attach some leftover foam with tape at the front and the back of the sheet and get almost 100% use out of it.
     
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    SO, the question is: What is the size of the "Safe Cutting Zone" for FFF or 15 X 39 Depron?
    I think that looking at the skp file for Mark's Micro Hand-Launch Glider will reveal the PP III limits for the Depron, and a little math should reveal the amount of excess material required.
     
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    Hey guys,
    This is one of the advantages that we gained with the dual drive rollers in combination with the over head gantry. We were able to keep the bit closer to the rollers resulting in less waste of material. :)
    The distance from the center of the rollers and where the pressure rollers meets with the drive rollers is 1.5" so that leaves 1.5" strip of material on the front of the sheet and 1.5" on the back. That's if you use the max and run the sheet right up to the edge of the pressure rollers. I try to be safe and leave 2" to 2.5 on the front for the start cut and that works out well.
    Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    I like it but can a 1/4" bit get through there? I wonder if the pony router or rotorzip with a 1/4" shank tapered down might have a hard time.
     
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    Wow, I knew the bit went between the rollers but that looks pretty tight. Will there be any issues with using other sleeves on the rollers?
     
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    If both rollers are working in unison driving he material than, theoretically, there should be no waste since each roller will move the material until it passed it and one roller will take over for the other and the material will be under control, in the cutting zone, at all time.
     
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    Hey guys, sorry for the bad picture, it doesn't really show you a good view. I did a quick sketchup to show you the rollers side view. You can see by the height of the drive rollers you really never go all the way down between them, there is no need to because you are through the material at the top of the drive roller. I also show a 1/2" bit size and still plenty of room in there. The only time we would need to go all the way through perhaps would be for a laser mod and that would work. We could even put some absorber under the roller gap to stop the beam :D
    As for the sleeve material, we are looking at 1/16" rubber sleeves at different shore hardness and there should be plenty of room for that as well. I can't wait to try that out, but I have to stay the course and focus on getting these out to you guys.
    Thanks
    Mark and Trish


    Attached files [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  11. dhc8guru

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    That was my thought exactly! :D

    Thanks guys and gals!
     
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    yes..but there is no support to the foam once it disengages from the front roller. The cutting bit would probably chatter the foam without the tension of the front roller.
     
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    Thanks for posting that pic Mark.

    I'm having a duh moment now LOL.
     
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    Any word on when these beauties get shipped?
     
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    If you look at the pictures Mark posted you'll see that once it got disengaged from both
    rollers, it had already left the cutting tool, so it doesn't have to go that far and to lose contact with both rollers.
     
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    I've read the answer to this next question somewhere but I don't remember what it was or were I found it :lol:

    Is the cutting depth limitation of 1 3/4" based on bit length or the two bars on top (not the pressure rollers with tape, the ones on top of the foam that keep it firm against the rollers)? Bit length would be an obvious reason, but I was thinking that maybe there a certain height at which the two bars on top would swing UP instead of DOWN on the foam material because they use a two way spring system (seen on Crash's video). Or maybe it's just too tight of a fit for a 1/16" bit to squeeze between the 3/16" gap between the rollers...

    On a different note, I saw this at RCG and thought it could be rigged to the MKIII

    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1313447

    I'm sure it would work, probably at fairly low cutting speeds, but would there really be any advantage? I suppose it wouldn't make so much noise :D

    - Jeff
     
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    ummm... let's see, if you rigged a new attachment for the Phlatprinter you might be able to use this to cut say an angle in a block of foam.... ummm, here is a good use for a fourth axis.

    Yep, possibilities are coming to mind....


     

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