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Pressure Roller Release Mechanism - Not Staying Up

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting and Build Support' started by robhsmit, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. robhsmit

    robhsmit New Member

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    Good Morning,

    Does anyone have a solution to fix the Roller Release Mechanism? I work at a community college and we have the printer built and working on trying to fix the drive pulley issue from the new video and also waiting on new rollers.

    A problem that crept up on our printer is that on the left side the MDF has worn and will not hold the Roller Mechanism tight. I've tried tightening the bolt and nut as a temporary fix, but I find that the slightest bump of the grab bar sends the Pressure Rollers down on the drive rollers. A dangerous condition if someone isn't careful. We noticed this in the video build and it was mentioned that the wearing down of the MDF would help the release action from the springs to operate more smoothly. This is a little too smooth. As I realign the pullies I have a block of wood supporting the rollers so they don't come crashing down and misaligning the drive rollers, or smacking my hands. :)

    Any thoughts. The printer is definately drawing the interest of students. Can't wait to get this up and running for a couple of projects this semester.

    Rob :)
     
  2. kram242

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    Hi Rob,
    Glad to hear you guys are built and ready to go! :)
    This is the first time I have heard of the locking mechanism not locking properly.
    Can you check to see that you have the screws tight on the plastic locking pin (its the one that slides in the candy cane shaped slot) these square nuts have a tendency to want to back off. If that's not the case it may mean you need new inside pieces. If this is the case please let us know through an email support@phlatboyz.com or a PM here on the forum.
    Can't wait to see the cool projects you and your students come up with! :)
    Thank you
    Mark and Trish
     
  3. robhsmit

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    Thanks for the reply. I meant to snap a few photos of the condition. I tightend the bolts, but it looks like the hook of the candy cane shape might be a little too worn.
     
  4. ToxicToast

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    I think mine went from too stiff-to-release to too loose to hold much, on the right side of my printer as well. It still holds, but the right side has a tendancy to be bumped and release pretty easily now. I'm guessing that as I was building mine, I had to fight with this side to get it to release at all so I used an emery board to round the edge ever so slightly. This improved things and I could finally release it without violence. Now its getting broken in, I realize that it may be too loose.

    I need to try and tighten it up and see if that helps (when I get back in the states).
     
  5. kram242

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    Chris, when you get back in and find that its to loose send us a PM and we will send a new set out to you to try. :)
    Thanks
    Mark and Trish
     
  6. kram242

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    Rob,
    We will send out a new set Rob that you can install, this should fix the problem :)
    Thanks
    Mark and Trish
     
  7. robhsmit

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    Thanks for the response. Its not the candy cane shape on the small interior side it is the part that is the shape on the main wall of the printer, not an easy replacement. Trying to think of a part that could be added to reinforce where the bolt slides in the slot. I'll upload a photo, I think i can get a goot shot through the left access panel.
     
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    Sounds good Rob we will wait for the pic then
    Thanks
    Mark and Trish
     
  9. robhsmit

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    Here are two shots of the Pressure Roller slot. The first one of the left side one is showing the most wear and posing problems - it has trouble staying in the locked up position. The right side seams to be fine.

    Overall the mechanism becomes racked quite a bit and it is tough for one person to operate the mechanism, feed the material, keep the material in place and try to get the mechanism to lock. I'll go back over the build vid next week to check to make sure the right things are tight. Thanks for the support! It is much appreciated!

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    DSCF3105-sm by aechacc, on Flickr

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    DSCF3107-sm by aechacc, on Flickr
     
  10. rcav8r

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    I don't know if I am seeing that right, but the part in the first pic looks broken, not worn.

    In my VERY crude drawing below, the piece should follow the path of the black line. Attached files [​IMG]
     
  11. robhsmit

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    Your line is correct. Thanks.

    From the build video it was noted that the mechanism is tight and would need to be worn in. During the first few tests and working with the mechanism, bits of MDF did come off. I saw the same thing beginning to happen on the right side. I assumed that this was normal wearing.

    Given the parts I don't know how to release the tension of the springs to not cause further damage.

    My solution would be to cut a slot in the 1/4" MDF for a washer (of some determined outside radius) to be seated with liquid nails. Would this work?
     
  12. kram242

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    This is not normal wearing :)
    Looks like you may have a piece of MDF that did not take to pressing at the factory. We will send a new set out (should do them both just in case) and that should fix you guys up. Should also be an easy replacement doing one side at a time.
    Thank you
    Mark and Trish
     
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    FYI: Thin CA applied to MDF will harden it making it very difficult to wear.
     
  14. robhsmit

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    Thanks Mark! Thanks Flashsolutions! I'll use CA to back it up. :)
     
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    For safety I would drill a hole to size and fit a piece of dowl rod below to rod lever in to ensure it can't drop. Make it so it can be easily removed when your ready to lower the pressure rollers.
     
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    Mark and Trish thanks for the replacement. I am now spending the morning taking apart the machine to replace the part. It isn't as easy as you suggest. One thing that is irritating is the sound of square nuts dropping to the table and I have to get them back into difficult places. I am only going to replace the damaged side because I don't even want to touch the side with controller cards.
     
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    Who puts the a screw head location behind another part? I have to take apart 3 other pieces to get to it. Redesign for #4. It is the pully support location on the left side that should be adusted up or down so it isn't burying a screw head for the main gainry.
     
  18. kram242

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    Not sure I am following you here Rob, maybe better to talk on the phone and see if we can get you up and running a little quicker that way. You can call the PhlatPhone 856-417-3377 and I will get back to you after work.
    Thanks
    Mark and Trish
     

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