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Discussion in 'General Talk Forum' started by dhc8guru, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. dhc8guru

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    Well, surprise surprise he belongs to the islam cult.
    How many more people have to die, before we say this cult has worn out its welcome in America.
    No more PCness time to wake up to the historic facts, this battle will never end.

    *Edit: The more I read the more I understand, please read down to find out why I now have a different opinion on this subject.
    Mark and Trish
     
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    He was kicked out of a mosque because he was too radical. Most Muslims are peace-loving people; just like most Christians and Jews and Hindus and Sikhs, etc. All of these have radical believers, as well.
     
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    As long as al-Qa'ida members keep taking up the organizational helm and the home grown violent extremists keep showing themselves, the United States Government will be happy to take them out of the Jihad game! Bin ladens successor was taken out on September 30 along with his propagandist Samir Khan. And the next Jihadist is......
     
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    Freedom of Religion is good!!!
     
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    Freedom of Religion is good but, wanting to kill me because I'm an American is real bad!!!! It makes me quite intolerable to Religious Extremists.
     
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    Every religion/race/country has extremist and they are all bad
     
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    Freedom of Religion is not only good, it is essential but do you think we will ever hear the words,

    Allah bless the Flag, Allah bless America ??

    Tweakie.
     
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    I have heard so many conflicting stories on the subject of islam extremest I decided to dig in an find out for myself. I am not an expert in the studies of religion by any means, but I am curious and I believe curiosity is a powerful engine that can take you anywhere.
    I am sure I just scratch the surface on the subject, but for me this understanding breaks down the sum and I have a knack for simplifying things :) This is what I would like to share
    I will do my best to try and explain my findings in a easy to understand way, so that it may help others who may be confused(like me) on why I believe there are muslims extremest in the religion of islam.
    As I say I am studying about the islam belief system and learning as I go. So some of my past rants may be out of line to some degree, mainly due to the fact that I had not enough knowledge at the time. I must apologize for this and will do my best not to let my emotions overcome my judgement (I have been working on this for a while :) )
    The more I study the more I realize it is these radicals who have brought the old teachings and applied them to modern life.
    The teachings were at a time of war back in history and have no relation to today's world or for that matter today's muslims. Mohammad was more or less giving a set of commands and a set rules to govern his followers of the time so that they could win the war with the meccan tribes. Of course there is a ton more information and branch offs from here and I suggest you check out wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad to find out more, but to keep it very simple and to once again break it down to the basics of what really helped shed some light on islam for me. We won't get into all the details here.
    To me, its like reading a news paper from the 1930's and taking it for today's paper. Believing there is a mars invasion happening and springing into action to fight! (War of the Worlds, Orson Welles) http://www.transparencynow.com/welles.htm
    I have now learned that Islamic purest are a lost and confused cultist people following the teachings(commands) that were meant for a people who lived centuries before them, at a time of war. Today these teachings should no longer apply to them and hold as much value as a 'How to build an underground bunker to survive a nuclear disaster' manual from 1950's. Living your life under nuclear threat and building underground bunkers and caning meat everyday. The thing is it could still hold true today so it can(and is) be followed.
    The bottom line as I see it is that the teachings of Mohammad in the Quran were not meant for musilums today.
    I now understand that most muslims understand this and are living in today's time and are peaceful, but the question is will they as a people with a deep rooted faith in truths of the past ever be able to remove the wool from their eyes and live peaceably in today's world? It seems the majority of the answer is yes they can, by looking at the peaceful muslims among us today. The sad part is how many have to die before they all understand? Or will they ever all understand?
    Only time will tell... but in the meantime those still following the war days of Mohammad

    Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace

    "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
    to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

    2011/10/04 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - Over seventy people are blown to bits in a powerful truck bombing by Islamic fundamentalists.
    2011/10/04 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Thirteen Shia pilgrims are pulled off of a bus by Sunni gunmen, lined up and mowed down.
    2011/10/03 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - A tea seller and customer are shot at point blank range by local Islamists.
    2011/10/03 (Arab Jobour, Iraq) - Hardliners open fire on a schoolteacher, killing him and injuring his wife and young son.
    2011/10/03 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Terrorists kill a child with a bomb.
    2011/10/03 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Shahid sucide bomber takes two civilians with him, including a child.

    To date 17827 deadly attacks since 9/11
    This is happening everyday as the list refreshes.

    All for not being belevers in islam

    I will now pray for the muslim extremest who are lost in their cult version of this religion, as well as the souls and their families who fall victim to their ignorance.
    I know that the forum here is not a discussion platform for religion or politics and I thank you for letting me work this out for myself.
    I will continue to study but I will end my discussion here.
    Mark and Trish
     
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    Thank you for the detailed explanation - yet more information I have learned from this excellent website.
    Also my congratulations on tackling such a difficult subject, which we all must face but many would shy away from.

    Tweakie.
     
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    Thank you my friends for your understanding and patience with me as I learn :)
    Mark and Trish
     
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    Mark, I think you are underestimating the number of Muslims that follow the conservative doctrine by a huge margin and most likely not only you. I think the problem is not only the people who go and blow them-self up but the whole lifestyle that the majority choose. Like oppressing women and enforcing the Sharia laws. They are going to rule the world in about a century and the world will look very different then with all of our grandchildren having to abide by their rule, Sharia laws. They will get to rule the world without resulting to violence. Just by having more children than we do. There is not much extremism in Saudi Arabia but you are still very likely to be flogged in the street for a crime. In a century or so that how it will be all over the western world. I think that is the biggest threat that we face nowadays form the Muslims.

    Just my :02cents: and wroth every penny you paid for it.
     
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    Yoram,
    I can see how this could happen, but I am not alone in knowing that we will never let it happen!
    Oh there would be floggin alright :spiteful:
    Mark and Trish
     
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    Mark, look what's going on in Europe, where their presence is, percentual (is that a word (well, it is now)), much bigger than here. In places there are more Mosques than there are churches. If you keep the rule of law and the democracy, unfortunately there is nothing we can do. We can not start discriminate because that's a can of worms I hope no-one wants to open. The only thing we can do is stop having 1.1 children per family and start having 3.1, or more, children per family. When I look in the mirror the guy I see is not having any of this (the 3.1 that is). :D
     
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    Can of worms indeed, this subject really has potential to piss people off, I usaully try to avoid politics/Religion, but just cant help myself. Mark, I appluad u for looking at this from another perspective, we all worship the God of Abraham dont we?
    As for muslims taking over the world, possible, they already make up 1/3 of the worlds population if I remember my statistics correctly, but I also remember reading that Christianity is the worlds fastest growing religion, even in places like India which is prob primarily Hindu/moslim, so put your faith in Jesus & spread the word-
     
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    This is a good video that shows an inside view of the islamist
    EDIT Ok guys looks like youtube has taken the video down here is the best I could find
    Its broken into parts 1-4

    http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=My+brother+the+islamist+BBC+documentary+
    Really sad and scary to see the deception created by rituals/cults but this goes on in many religions.
    I have to remind myself that all religions are man made and when it comes right down to it, a religion is really just a point of view or one mans interpretation of Gods word. A lot of cults bring you in make you feel important and make you feel like you are a part of something bigger then yourself.
    I follow no religion or mans opinion. I read the Bible and pray for the understanding that God will let me and my family understand his teachings for what HE wants us to. Not through another mans ideas or belief system.
    This works and is truly a pure way to have a personal relationship with our God.
    Mark and Trish
     
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    That is quite the video. It really shows how radical the extremist's are. It's such a shame to see how much hatred is there.
     
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    Al-Qaeda have had to be more creative in their fund raising of late because of the banking laws put in place (in many countries including Saudi Arabia) post 9/11 and pursuit of their funding sources by the US and other countries looking to put them out of business. Kidnapping ransoms and bank robbery are a couple of the latest schemes.

    Admittedly the quote above is prior to 9/11/2001, but the bigger question is, have the people who donated money to al-Qaeda then changed their minds about it?
     
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    OK, I just finished watching My Brother the Islamist and since I'm already standing on my soapbox, let me pose a question.

    Can a belief system that condemns a person to death for leaving it be considered a true religion?
     
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    Very interesting and informative video.

    Burning that flag worries me more than anything.

    Tweakie.
     
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    Christianity has its victims as well, how bout when god asks Joshua to kill all those people in Jericho?
    I sang songs about this guy in sunday school, he was considered a hero by Christians and Jews alike. When I grew up, I became somewhat of a history buff, found out this guy wasnt just some bible story, he really existed, and not only killed every man, woman a child in jericho, but as many as 16 other cities in the area, and that wasnt enough for him, he killed the chickens, goats and cows to, Hero? Im sorry but he sounds like a murderer to me, by todays standards this man would be hunted down an arrested for war crimes, muslims have no monopoly on killing people-
    Dont even get me started on the people who died during the crusades, but to be fair, these are the old testament teachings, Jesus and the New Testament brings an end to all the killing, But if someone wants to keep score of which religion kills the most people, Christianity just may come out on top-
     
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    That pretty much sums it up, unlike 'some religions' that still follow the old testament 'eye for an eye' :good:
    Mark and Trish
     
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