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foam wing construction...

Discussion in '* Scratch Built Section *' started by rjarois, Mar 26, 2009.

  1. rjarois

    rjarois Moderator Staff Member

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    ok fellas, was monkeying around with the new phlatcode....the plung tool works great....only thing is ya gotta draw little location cross marks. they did not copy and paste for me. its cool as long as you know. i had some old carbon fiber laying around, and was wondering if anyone figured if this would work...the main tube is .25 and the two small ones are .125. any wing construction tips are welcomed, as i am going to build a new high-lift cargo wing for my camera plane. here is a photo of a sample section. i will mess with the foils later, i just wanna get a good sound design to build with. also i plan on using micro-lite film covering. transparent so to show off the innerds.randy.
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    You gotta zoom in to see the plunge marks. There is a circle with a half line the diameter of your selected router bit. And you can copy/paste them. But they are very small. Until you zoom in you probably would not see them.

    I have built some ribbed wings but I covered them with 1mm Depron sheeting. I like the way you are doing yours.

    It will interesting to see how it fares when you apply the film covering and heat.



     
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    flash i could see them fine...even after i cut and pasted them...the only one that it plunged was the first one i did, and not the others. maybe i did something wrong and i will try agian, randy.
     
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    hmmmm, it looks like whoever modified my original plunge code broke it. I'm not sure who changed it, but I did see in the comments that they had made changes to the plunge code.
     
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    Hi rjarois,

    I won't say it won't work, but think the spar can be built alot stronger. Haven't design a wing before, but I have built balsa models and familiar with the theory. So my 2 cents worth:

    The bending stress is actually zero at the middle of the spar and maximum at the edge. So what you want is a carbon on the top and bottom surface of the spar. The material placed in the center is less important, except to hold the structural parts together. If you ever built any balsa model, that's how the spar is made with spruce top and bottom; and vertical grain balsa in between. Basically, you want to build something more like a large tube than a thin rod.

    -Kwok
     
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    I am using a single carbon tube in my foam wings and it works just fine. However, I have a foam sheet covering my wing. That could be quite different than if you are covering with a film covering.

    Check my tribute 4D posts.
     
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    kwok, ya got a photo or drawing of what your tellin me??
     
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    It's just two carbon tubes instead of 1 in the middle. Here is a quick cross section.

    Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    Randy, to add to Kwok's explanation, the portion of a wing that ALWAYS fails first is the Upper Skin, in compression. Don't believe me? Take 2 straws from a broom and hold them together, parallel, from the ends, one directly above the other. What you are simulating is the upper and lower beams on one wing, from the root to the tip.
    Now bend them as if the wing were flexing upward at the tip, keeping them taut.
    What happened? Did the lower straw break because of the added tension? (nope)
    Did the upper straw bend in the middle and collapse in compression? (absolutely)
    Even steel or concrete beams fail on the compression side of the beam, in bending. Ask your college Dynamics Professor if you still don't believe me.
    My point is this: The most important surface or spar to stiffen with carbon is the upper one, as close to the upper, outer surface as practical. :geek:
     
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    ahhh, i get it fellas...i will continue to redesign and cut samples until i get it right. i seen somewere where a fella used two "flat" carbon fiber top and bottom on his spar.... are the two rods ak on the front and back of wing?. thanks, randy.
     
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    Hi, I don't want to give the mistaken impression that it's got to be done a certain way. Design is all about compromise. If you think it strong enough, then certainly you can do something because it has other benefits, like cheaper or simpler. I mean, flat foamies, break all the rule and generally need to be strengthened with carbon. But I have seen, built up foam wings, that use no carbon. In the end, you make you choices and you take you chances.

    Here is one I am looking at , the regal. It just has single spruce spar and a KF wing, which would be very similar to your single carbon tube. So go for it!
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712006

    -Kwok
     

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