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bigger eagle in the works....

Discussion in '* Scratch Built Section *' started by rjarois, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. rjarois

    rjarois Moderator Staff Member

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    rbrown3rd, yea but once ther trimmed out they fly like a kite...i had mine in its first thermal last week. flew it for 45 mins on 750mah usage. with the small eagle weighing 14.7 oz. with a 48in wing, im hoping the 80in. version floats better. plus i can see easier at higher alt. randy.
     
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    wile waitin for foam, i decided to try to clean up the 8 foot work bench a bit...after movin all the glues to one pile, i thought, man look at all the sticky stuff, lols. crazy all the different achieves ther are...
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    Looking very good Randy. Your work has made me decide definietly to go ahead with a 48 inch FFF smaller eagle as a companion to my EPP bird. Do you know if anyone has generated Phlatprinter files to cut the FFF version?
     
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    gluing the first 9mm bottom skin on....the gorilla white glue is thinner way easier to work with than the sumo...the wing took the whole panel of the depron sheet, on all four sides. randy.
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    Man, that is looking really good. I am anxiously awaiting the next series of photos. That is going to be a beauty.
     
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    Brilliant looks great...

    You have me on the edge of my seat :cool:
     
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    Wow Randy! We may have to go out again this year! I want to see this baby, you are going to need a lot of paint!
     
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    This is really nice Randy!! You need to give us some pointers on "air-brushing" like you did on your smaller version...
     
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    WOW Randy!! this is great! I really want one of these now I've seen yours..... The local seagulls would run for cover with that in the air LOL Revenge on them at last :lol:

    Best Regards,
    Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
     
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    thanks for the positive comments....just as important to me is negative input...others don't look at the negative aspects the same way i do....i don't mind getting it, as its a learning opportunity for me. tv casulity knows this personally, as he was kind enough to give my one of his warbird wings to dissect learn from. randy.
     
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    got the other wing half glued up...man my 8 foot bench went away on me, lols. before i skin the top, i think i will bend up the wing tips...this is a tricky job with the heat gun. if something gets botched up, it will be easier to remove and remake the wing bottom. i was going to bend first, but was afraid of twisting it. also the gorilla glue expands like crazy, be careful if you use this stuff. after seeing the bottom wing half's glued up, i gotta man this thing is huge...i read real bald eagles have this kind of span...man them big birds, lols. peace, randy.
    made a mess on first half, be careful if using gorilla glue!!
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    Are you going to try to bend in some reflex in the trailing edge?
     
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    Dude, get someone you don't like to strap it on their back and see if they can fly with that thing :lol:
     
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    lols, jeff....
     
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    wing is coming out more porky than i planed....as of now it weighs 15.5oz. thats without the top skin on yet...as i look at i used more glue than i needed. im thinkin i could of made this wing with the same construction as the lil one. but i wanted a clark-y foil. maybe this 82in. span pork chop will fly. as of now i guessin at a 26oz. bird im still going to try the hacker A20-22L and if it don't cut the mustard i have a A30-28S that will do the trick. i guess I'm lucky its not a 3-D model. id need around 350watts, lols. the big foil should lift the load. randy.
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    Now, that what you call a wing!!! Great job RJ..
     
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    15.5oz's is good for that size of wing. I'm sure it will probably be a good pound once the top gets on. I'm sure it will fly really well though.
     
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    the wing is just gonna be foiled.....the wing tip bends are just straight bends on a angle. ya don't to nutty with this point of the build....it can be messed up real fast. i set-up a big plastic tube, as something to bend the tips around...you have to air cool, wile holding so to minimise spring back. then i water cool in my laundry tub, before i measure the tips to make equal. best thing is to take your heat gun to scrap, and test out. its very tricky for me. i got the tips good in one try...ready for top skin...all i have is 6mm sheets. i went to the local hobby store, but he has only 13in wide strips. i am thinkin about gettin it and joining, but i don't like that to much. i suppose it wont matter. or i could use the 6mm i have. btw the pipe is clamped down to table... randy.
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    Randy you will have no problem. Err as long as you can get the CG close, and you should have a good reference from the lil one.

    I'll pull a weight for you soon, btw I made 2245 today in the 55" span 109 :) Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    Here comes some light hearted negative :)

    I agree 100% with the above quote. I'm on edge to see that reflex.(rim shot please) It's the heart of a great flying wing. I've built with the trusty 'Y' foil in a variety of thicknesses and though its a great floater with a long moment it never worked good as a flying wing or even if short coupled for that matter. Sure you can crank in up and get a glide but the speed/pitch envelope is super narrow. Sorry, I know its a little late.

    The A30-28S :shock: I hope that was a joke because it was a good one on my side :p The 20-20 will be fine. Even at 50oz. AUW. Mega grunt is not what a foam 'Y' foiled flying wind needs. Smooth solid power while using pitch to control a steady air speed is the answer IMHO.

    As an example I scratched a full house 156'' span 4.5 lbs. sailplane and flew it on a 1/2A powerpod. Climb was shallow, about 1:100, but it worked. And as soon as it hit lift it specked out in no time.
     
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    66tbird, i am comparing everything on this build to my 48in. span eagle. im starting to figure out it really cant be done...at least i know the scale and proportions are good. btw, i was serious about the bigger hacker, lols. i always have flown ducted fan jets, pylon racers, that have exceeded 150mph. also my 3-D models always have had half throttle hover power. i have to admit even on my smaller eagle, i have 150watts to a 14.7 oz. model. i know i have to learn more about being able to use less power on the floater type planes....believe me, im all ears to all the experienced r/c flyers with any input. randy.
     
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    man erik, just think what you will do with the big eagle....man with my old eyes, im prolly good for 100 more feet, lols...maybe we need a phlatboyz "how high
    " competition??, lols. randy.
     
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    My concern was not with the Clark-Y because as we all know it is a tried and true workhorse airfoil. With the wing area you have you will have no trouble lifting the weight. Calculate your total area and factor in the weight. I suspect you will come out with a very lightly loaded wing even with electronics, motor, and battery. I fly my EPP Eagle which weighs about a pound and has a 58 inch span with a little Blue Wonder motor and it does well. You have to fly it like a sailplane with gentle climbs until you find lift. No, my concern was not with the airfoil itself but with the short coupled tail moment. The smaller version is a KFM airfoil I think and has no reflex and it seems to fly well. My EPP version has about a half inch of reflex molded in. I am no expert on flying wings but most of them I know of require a bit of reflex to fly nicely. I am sure if you get the CG right you will be fine. I am really enjoying following your build and admiring your great craftmanship.
     
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    While going through my bag of templates I found the one I called 'The Winner for TDFW' and darn if it it's a split between the 106 and the 75. It was a great hands off TD flyer.

    It's just info for the next build.

    http://www.b2streamlines.com/PWairfoils.html
     

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